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[seraphcelene]

So … Drama.

I'm off-line for a couple of days and the Apocalypse looms. Nice going, LJ. I hope fandom isn't planning to make a run for all available exits because I like my little corner of LJ, despite the panic and "over reaction to a small but well publicized group's attempts to remove content they don't like" (thanks, D).

Now, I need to know … what's GeneralJournal and should I be getting one? How are we archiving our LJ's? Straight to your hard drive or is there someplace else in the ether? HOW do you archive your LJ?

Point me to answers, kids!

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[diachrony.livejournal.com]

Heya babe.

I have links at home to several archiving tools, so I'll post again when I get there and can hunt them up.

A bunch of us created GreatestJournal (http://www.greatestjournal.com/) accounts last year when LJ was blacked out for a couple days (IIRC it was a weekend so you'd never have noticed, ha ha! In fact I barely noticed, but everyone was mentioning GJ so I got one to be on the safe side). It's just a backup.

Now there's also InsaneJournal (http://www.insanejournal.com/) and I've set up an account there too (but haven't posted or prettied it yet). Per some of my friends it's easier to use/friendlier interface than GJ ... but I think more folks we know are at GJ.

I am thinking of these mainly as backup. The fact that LJ/6A realized their gaffe and are apparently unsuspending something like half of the affected journals is very good news. If they had NOT taken this step it's true that much of fandom may have migrated altogether. As it is, I think most people are looking to have backup areas where fandom can keep in touch with communities/f'lists set up similarly to LJ ... in case we ever need them.

I haven't archived my LJ. I sure wouldn't want to lose anything I've got in my Memories ... but I don't think any of the archiving tools save that, so all those posts would have to be looked up & saved individually.

Anyway I'll post more when I get home!

[seraphcelene]

Thanks! I really better get on this because, there's a lot up here that I'd want to keep. Will check out GreatJournal, possibly, this weekend.

GUH! The whole internet acess thing is annoying!

RE: LJ/6A - It's really odd to see the news bites repeatedly saying that the journals were deleted when in reality they were suspended and that by the time the news got hold of it they were already in the process of reinstating the journals. Kinda sucks for LJ cause they're going to catch hell from all corners on this even though they did try to rectify the situation responsibly and as soon as they discovered their mistake.

this makes LJ a handsome PDF

[kormantic.livejournal.com]

http://www.ljbook.com/

Re: this makes LJ a handsome PDF

[diachrony.livejournal.com]

Question: by any chance, does LJ Book save what's in "Memories"? I always use the Memories tool to keep track of stuff other people post that I don't want to forget.

Re: this makes LJ a handsome PDF

[kormantic.livejournal.com]

Sorry, angeline, I really have no idea. It might say on the site somewhere...

Re: this makes LJ a handsome PDF

[seraphcelene]

Hi Hi!! Thank you!

[lettered.livejournal.com]

I should've emailed you with a HOLY SHIT! heads up.

GreatestJournal, as diachrony states. I got one, but as a precaution. I haven't been online much today so I don't know how most have reacted to LJ's response, but I had never planned to leave unless LJ didn't reply or I wasn't satisfied with their reply. I'm not at all satisfied about what LJ did, but their reply does make me want to give them another chance. However, if there is a mass exodus of fandom I am SO there. I'm tkp on GreatestJournal, and I'm keeping that account, just in case LJ ever pulls a stunt like this again. (Another thing: people were putting "lj_refugee" in their interests lists so they could use the interest lists to find people from on lj.

LJbook for backup, as kormantic linked. However, I used this LJ archive (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ljarchive/), because LJbook uses PDF and I hate PDF. The archive deal was fairly easy to install and seems (so far!) *very* easy to use. I've been meaning to do this for a long while anyway; it's not a good idea to rely on anyone else to hold masses of your ideas and thoughts and creations and stories. LJ archive allows you to save your lj to your hard drive.

If you want more answers I've maybe got 'em!

[lettered.livejournal.com]

Oh yes, and if you haven't, you can still go join fandom_counts. I just think it would be awesome to have a comm that is *all* of fandom.

[seraphcelene]

I will definitly. I need to hit the library this weekend and will try to squeeze everything in there. This is crazy. I like that LJ responded so quickly and apologized profusely. I, too, feel bad for them because they are legitimately and sincerely trying to correct their mistake. Although they did totally overstep themselves and handle the whole complaint situation very poorly. But ... mistakes are bound to be made, we are all humans after all. Except when I'm a sunflower, or a cat.

[diachrony.livejournal.com]

I've got a question ... does the archive you linked also save the stuff you've got in "memories"? I use the "memories" tool to keep track of all the cool stuff *other* people post that I don't want to forget.

Ah, I bet the answer is "no." But I gotta ask anyway.

[lettered.livejournal.com]

no, only entries and comments.

I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT. Mostly I was worried about my own stuff because I use lj as a personal backup space for other stuff I do. Does ljbook save memories? I didn't even look at it 'cause of the PDF issues I have.

[diachrony.livejournal.com]

::sigh:: I don't know, but I bet it doesn't. I haven't tried any of these tools yet, but I really doubt any of them save "memories" ... which I use ALL THE TIME and fiercely don't want to lose.

It'd be easier (though time-consuming) to save the memoried stuff if it was just the main posts, but of course there are always goodies in the comments, and sometimes the comments are the reasons one's putting it in Memories in the first place.

Grrr Arrrgh. Nothing's ever perfect.

[lettered.livejournal.com]

yeah, a lot of my memories are for comments as well. I was actually surprised to see that the archive tool does include every comment ever made to your journal--I didn't think it would. I haven't really looked at LJ Archive much yet, but I'll let you know if I find something about saving memories.

[diachrony.livejournal.com]

Deleted previous comment, corrected version below:

Here are the archiving links I've found:

LJ Book (http://www.ljbook.com/) (the one kormantic recommended)
LJ Archive (http://fawx.com/software/ljarchive) (this is the same one tkp recommended; this link goes directly to the archiving tool area)
LJ Dump (http://hewgill.com/software/ljdump/)

I have no idea how they perform. I think LJ Book and SourceForge LJ Archive look the best. I've never used anything similar, so I'd go by friend recommendations.

[seraphcelene]

Thanks, honeybunches! I'll try to play around with this stuff this weekend. Possibly while I'm getting my axels replaced. Oh, my poor Betty!

[diachrony.livejournal.com]

Oh, someone else gave me another archiving tool link ~ she downloads her LJ every few months using it and really likes it. Check my LJ 'cos I have the link there.

ALSO! I have figured out a solution to my dilemma over saving the Memories (because these tools don't appear to do that for you) ~ and when I have my break or lunch today I'm going to post about that.

Why don't you have any net access at home?

And yes, poor Betty. Hope that gets fixed properly and you aren't too poor afterwards!